SORRY CARLOS & JACK - TRY PLAN "B"
Great minds apparently think alike, but Carlos Llorente & Jack Thompson will have to proceed on a different theory if they're thinking of involving the Florida Bar about holding JAABLOG liable for any of the comments.
Click here for the Florida Bar's letter to Jack dismissing his catch-all bar complaints (and ad nauseum amendments) regarding aiding and abetting, etc. The issue has already been considered and dumped by the Bar.
As far as something under the general Professionalism rules, well, like the quote in the DBR, "Bring it on". We're not the type to lay down, we'd love to parade our war against institutional racism in Broward's criminal justice system in front of a much broader audience, and we like visiting Washington D.C.
This is going to be fun ...
(Message to Jack: kindly confine all your comments to this thread. We know this issue is near and dear to you, but if you pollute other threads with your uncontrollable onslaught you will be banned and all comments removed, pursuant to the earlier ban. You can do it Jack - you've really been a very good boy lately ...)
Click here for the Florida Bar's letter to Jack dismissing his catch-all bar complaints (and ad nauseum amendments) regarding aiding and abetting, etc. The issue has already been considered and dumped by the Bar.
As far as something under the general Professionalism rules, well, like the quote in the DBR, "Bring it on". We're not the type to lay down, we'd love to parade our war against institutional racism in Broward's criminal justice system in front of a much broader audience, and we like visiting Washington D.C.
This is going to be fun ...
(Message to Jack: kindly confine all your comments to this thread. We know this issue is near and dear to you, but if you pollute other threads with your uncontrollable onslaught you will be banned and all comments removed, pursuant to the earlier ban. You can do it Jack - you've really been a very good boy lately ...)
You've now heard it here from the horse's mouth ----- Bill=JAABlog.
This was not a bar complaint filed against JAABlog, it was filed against Bill Gelin individually.
So basically, at the end of the day, unless Bill writes something improper on the front page, the comments section is fair game and not his responsibility (except when he censors it himself, which may create some issues but hey, let the chips fall where they may).
But please, at this point, can you at least post as Bill Gelin -- it's ok.....we're all friends here now.
What a confusing conversation if Bill and Holmes were talking to each other. "Judge Holmes is talking" "No Jaab is talking. Jaab wants pizza." "Judge Holmes likes Chinese" Groan.
Bill Gelin, thanks for your condescending advice,. Your threat of another ban on me (the first one didn't work) does serve to underscore the fact that this is a moderated site, which puts you on the hook, under Bar Rule 4-8.4 for what is posted here.
As to free speech being "near and dear to my heart," you bet it is. That's why my email address is amendmenone@comcast.net. Broadcast pornographers aren't the only ones with First Amendment rights, and the difference is that mine are real. Justices Black, Harlan, and Douglas pointed out that an independent judiciary is not nearly as important as an independent bar. You care about institutional racism. Good for you. I had my life threatened in the civil rights movement back in 1969, probably before you were born, so I commend you for your concerns. I had them before you did. I happen to think that the deliverance of all of us from this Nazi Florida Bar and its speech codes is long overdue. Justice Douglas predicted in Lathrop that integrated state bars would eventually become "goose-stepping brigades" by attempts to enforce conformity codes. Well, they're marching out of Tallahassee, and you guys here who think that nothing important happens outside of Broward would do well to wake up and smell the fascist coffee.
The dismissal of my Bar complaint, which was intended to push The Bar to the absurd position that First Amendment-protected speech at blogs about judicial corruption is not protected by the First Amendment, occurred because of who brought it--me. The Bar has a fetish about me, if you haven't noticed.
If that dismissal is of comfort to you, Bill, then your confidence is misplaced. Another one is coming, and it isn't going to be brought by me.
The Bar will try to shut this site down because people with some actual juice--people like Vic Tobin --are pushing The Bar to do something about people who point out who the corrupt judges are. Maybe you all don't know what I know. I am the one who met with the FDLE yesterday, not you, Bill. I'm the one who met with the head of the Miami FBI office this week, Bill, not you.
So, here's what's going to happen: The Florida goose-stepping bar is coming after all the lawyers here, and they will get you unless you tell The Bar now to go to Hell along with its speech codes.
You all said nothing about what they did to Sean Conway. You thought it hilarious what they did to me for my violation of their speech codes. Keep laughing. You won't be laughing long.
Jack Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366, cell 305-588-3005
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." -- Mahatma Gandhi
I prefer the nom de plumb myself. It's all an ego trip but I personally don't like reading blogs where its all I did this or I want that. It becomes even whinier in the 1st person, if that's possible.
You're killing independent George.
Mr. Gelin, my goals are exactly the opposite of Llorente's. He wants to stifle free speech. I am trying to promote it. The Bar violates the First Amendment when it seeks to discipline any lawyer for any comments about a judge, given the vagueness of its rules and its selective prosecution of them.
All of The Bar's speech codes are unconstitutional. Your problem, Bill, is that you don't care about any of that. You're phobic about race. Some of us have other concerns, such as those shared by Justice Douglas when it comes to Nazi integrated state bars.
Llorente wants to shut you all down. I want to protect you and anyone else who wants to blow the whistle on corrupt officials.
My goodness, if you can't figure that out, Bill, then you need some help with your Jack Thompson fixation.
Jack Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366, cell 305-588-3005
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." -- Mahatma Gandhi
I thought the Bar had a Right of the righteous to dismissed bar complaints-especially against them selves or one of their treasured few.
Did anybody file a Bar complaint against bar complaint investigator superiore afficianado Juan Carlos Ariass for touting Ana Gardiner as the greatest Hispanic phenom since sliced meat?
Dis He file his own bar complaint agin' ana as a lawyer judge--will he or "yo" Spanish adria quintela for not filing a bar complaint against ana according to the florida bar rules that require it?
Clearly the bar has the right not to file bar complaints against themselves or violators of the bar rules unless and only the whistleblowers like Conway in retaliation for violations the rules against following the rules by other bar members.
I have never met this thompson guy, but most of the attacks against him seem to be motivated by the same malfeasance by bar members as demonstrated toward ana.
the greater the truth--the greater the crime prosecuted. Conway simply stuck a deal with the devils.- thompson didn't. but all seem to think that the apparent fraudulent ruling somehow makes it correct just because the bar said so and they should know.
cone on wan carlos ariass--we all want to hear you sing the praises of ana same more and why she doesn't deserve a bar complaint too, for her blatant dishonesty and fraud. It I were you, I would be the proudest hispanic on the planet because she is a better liar than you or adria out together.
I guess it is so much easier to lie about thompson that to actually consider any truth because another of you frauds disposed of the challenge.
the true transparency of the bar is like a glass bottom boat overt the moat of the cesspool of the the broward and florida bar with all their little fishy feces floating about. and as is usually true, the creator cannot smell itself.
Dear Curious,
You've figured it out, so I thank you. Mr. Gelin has a very serious problem coming his way, and it is this:
Because The Florida Bar thinks it can prosecute as unethical the blowing of the whistle on corrupt, incompetent judges by attorneys such as William Abramson, Sean Conway, and me, it will next go after Mr. Gelin for publishing whistle-blowing comments on judges by other lawyers. If Gelin weren't a lawyer, there would be no problem. But...
Look at Bar Rule 4-8.4a. If applied to Mr. Gelin as it reads, then he is next on the hit parade. Any lawyer who assists another lawyer in violating a Bar Rule is just as culpable. Don't you crackerjack criminal defense lawyers here know what an aiding and abetting rule is?
What do you all think this Carlos Lllorante Spanish [Fascist]Inquisition into the JAABLOG is about? It is to set the table for The Bar to go first after Mr. Gelin and then after the lawyers who post anonymously here. Current developments in the case law make it clear that The Bar can get your IP addresses.
in that regard, if any of you are as blind as Governor Paterson and can't read the following article, let me know. Call me at 305-666-4366 and I'll read it to you:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/08/23/2009-08-23_outted_blogger_rosemary_port_blames_model_liskula_cohen_for_skank_stink.html
Now, either the lawyers who post here anonymously grow a pair and start putting their names to their attacks on judges, or Bill Gelin grows a pair and files a dec action as to his right to publish, at this moderated site, attacks on bad judges. Otherwise, the First Amendment will be repealed, fully, by The Florida Bar. They're well on their way, on the urging of knuckleheads like Victor Tobin.
Until then, until you take a stand on this, you're all a bunch of cowards, to which Sean Conway can attest. Jack Thompson
PS: Bill Gelin, if you think I'm on the side of Llorante on this, then you're the one who needs a Bar mental health exam. I passed mine.
Jack Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366, cell 305-588-3005
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Immediate News Release – March 12, 2010
Florida Bar to Be Sued Over Unconstitutional Lawyer Speech Codes
Miami attorney Jack Thompson will soon sue The Florida Bar in federal court over its clearly unconstitutional “speech codes” that are being used by The Florida Bar to punish whistle-blowing lawyers who are identifying corrupt public officials, including judges, and other wrongdoers.
Just this week, a self-appointed censor by the name of Carlos Llorante, who is President of the Broward County Bar Association, has threatened action against a popular lawyers’ blog, JAABlog, for what Lllorante thinks are “unprofessional” comments at the blog about judges and other public officials.
The Florida Bar and its First Amendment-violative speech codes are behind this threat. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly warned state bars that they must not act in this fashion. Justice Douglas in Lathrop v. Donohue warned that integrated state bars would eventually become “goose-stepping brigades.” Nazi-like lawyers are marching in Florida.
Thompson was disbarred in September 2008 because of his criticism of a Miami-Dade judge by the name of Ron Friedman. Friedman announced his decision in a video game case brought by Thompson before the hearing on the matter and Thompson complained about it. Friedman had been reproved twice previously by the Third District Court of Appeal for doing the same thing.
Thompson also was critical of certain lawyers who represented the broadcasters of the Howard Stern Show. One month after Thompson was disbarred for his verbal attacks on these lawyers, their broadcasting client entered into a Consent Decree with the FCC because of Thompson’s vindicated, valid FCC complaints!
Thus, as will be shown in Thompson’s federal declaratory judgment action against The Florida Bar, The Bar’s speech codes are being used to target and punish whistle blowers who happen to be lawyers. Thompson’s suit is helped by another federal lawsuit now brought by A FORMER FLORIDA BAR PROSECUTOR, Brett Geer, who claims that The Bar targets for discipline whistle-blowing lawyers in retaliation for their pure political speech.
Contact Jack Thompson for more information at 305-666-4366, amendmentone@comcast.net.
Jack Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366, cell 305-588-3005
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Jack, go away, your B.S. talk reminds me of the Glen Beck interview with former Congressman Eric Massa, both of which are train wrecks.
Just go away, or at least make sense out of your jiberish.
No wait - why don't you do what you should have done before you got disbarred and hire an Attorney to advocate your positions. If you can't even get your wife to represent you, what does that say about your mental state?
I'll report you decide.
Coo-Coo, Coo Coo-Coo, Coo-Coo. (Yes, I know you are going to sue me for libel). I still say, Coo-Coo, Coo-Coo (I am entitled to an opinion). A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Imagine if judges just followed the rules?
There wouldn't be anything to free speech about!
"My definition of Free Society is a Society where its safe to be unpopular."
Adlai E. Stevenson, Oct. 7th, 1952.
John B. Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366
amendmentone@comcast.net
March 13, 2010
Carlos Llorente
President, Broward County Bar Association
3230 West Commercial Blvd.
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Via Fax and e-mail
Re: Bringing Fidel Castro’s Agenda and Tactics to the Broward County Bar Association
Dear Mr. Llorente:
We have read in the Daily Business Review that you intend to conduct a closed Broward County Bar Association committee hearing into the lack of “professionalism” exhibited at a Broward lawyers’ blog known as JAABlog. The date of the hearing is appropriately April 1—April Fools Day. You have said that Mr. Bill Gelin, who helps run the blog, needs to choose between being a journalist and a lawyer. Surprise: You don’t get to choose for him.
“Professionalism” is code for a failure to adhere to politically correct speech coveted by the high and mighty who reject Justice Brandeis’ observation that “sunlight is the best disinfectant.” Martin Luther was “unprofessional” as a Roman Catholic monk. Martin Luther King was “unprofessional” in going outside his role as a minister to take on segregation. Ronald Reagan was “unprofessional” in using his trade as an actor to take on leviathan government. And of course Jesus should have stuck with carpentry.
You and your ilk are concerned that this Broward blog has been too rough on judges. If you look at the kind of people that sit on the Broward bench these days, JAABlog has not been rough enough. Some of these clowns should be arresting for impersonating judges.
I’m not sure where you, Mr. Llorente, studied civics in school, but in this country, the First Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to engage in “political speech” unfettered by either governmental or vigilante thought police committees.
The United States Supreme Court in the Lathrop v. Donogue and Keller v. State Bar of California make it clear that state bars may not engage in efforts to dictate what that political speech must be. You are trying to act like a mini-bar to get around Lathrop and Keller. You have even less authority to be the thought police than the real Bar does!
Justice Douglas correctly predicted that “integrated state bars” would eventually become “goose-stepping brigades” Hell-bent on using their powers to intimidate nonconformist lawyers who speak out.
The U.S, Supreme Court has repeatedly noted that an independent bar is far more important in preserving liberty than is an independent judiciary. Without the former the latter cannot be held accountable and thus to be independent of those who would commandeer and corrupt itThat is precisely what JAABlog is about—it is expressive of the indispensable independent bar of which John Adams and others have been a part.
Your “Professionalism Committee” is nothing but a stalking horse for Justice Douglas’ “goose-stepping” speech code Nazis at The Florida Bar. I should know. When I took a Miami-Dade judge by the name of Ron Friedman to task for announcing his verdict in a case BEFORE the trial, he filed a Bar speech code complaint against me. I was disbarred because of it. Funny thing is, the Third District Court of Appeal whacked this whacky judge twice for doing the very same thing I complained about.
The same thing happened to Broward attorney Sean Conway when he posted the truth about Judge Aleman at JAABlog. He was punished by The Bar for an alleged violation of its speech codes. It didn’t matter that the JQC formally came to the same substantive conclusion as Mr. Conway. Mr. Conway “got out of line.” He dared do what a member of an independent bar would do and has a duty to do. But you all think that is “unprofessionial.”
You, Mr. Llorente, want to bring the agenda and the tactics of Fidel Castro’s Cuba to your Broward County Bar Association. First of all, your voluntary organization has no legitimate “professionalism” oversight function. You’re just a bunch of busy bodies who apparently were too busy arranging the silverware at formal functions to pay attention to Scott Rothstein’s rape of Broward’s governmental functions.
But you all more than just busy bodies. You’re dangerous. The United States Congress passed a law, 18 USC 241, which prohibits two or more persons from conspiring to intimidate citizens in the exercise of their constitutional rights. Speech is one of those rights. I met this week, along with my friend former Miami Police Chief Ken Harms, with John Gillies, Special Agent in Charge of the Miami Field Office of the FBI. I am sending him this letter to further inform him of the efforts of those within The Bar and outside The Bar, such as your “Committee,” to intimidate, in contravention of federal statute and the United States Constitution, the free speech rights of lawyers to blow the whistle on corrupted and corrupting judges and on anyone else they feel like blowing the whistle on.
Is JAABlog needed? Apparently yes, warts and all. We have a Chief Judge in Broward County who sends out emails asking other lawyers to give breaks to Scott Rothstein’s partners. This same judge received money from that
This same angry judge, taking a chapter out of your Fidel Castro playbook, thinks that his improper emails to other judges are not public records, and he even has the temerity to tell Mike Mayo of the Sun-Sentinel to “get a real job.” This anger is from a guy who feeds at the public trough. I can imagine that “Bill Gelin should get a real job” will echo throughout your April Fools Day “Professionalism Committee” meeting as well. That, in fact, is what you told the Daily Business Review in stating Gelin cannot be a lawyer and head a blog that calls out judges.
The 1949 Florida Bar Integration Order, penned by a unanimous Florida Supreme Court, is obviously a document you have never read. It promises that lawyers in this state will never be intimidated from speaking out. It promises that discipline will be a minimal function of the bar. It promises that censors like you and your Committee will not be allowed to come against other lawyers. Your April Fools Day gathering is a repudiation of everything the Florida Supreme Court promises in its 1949 Order will never happen in this state.
Finally, the judicial knucklehead who really kicked this “Professionalism” obsession into high gear in this state was Justice Raoul Cantero. When Cantero was on the court, he publicly held forth that lawyers who exhibit bad manners—not a lack of ethics, mind you—should be severely punished. That “Fidel Castro meets Miss Manners” lunacy would have resulted in one of our nation’s founders, John Adams, being disbarred by the likes of King Raoul Cantero.
Cantero is, appropriately enough, the grandson of Cuban strongman Batista. So it is not surprising that he showed up in Broward Circuit Judge Jack Tuter’s courtroom to testify on behalf of his dear friend and former mentor, Hank Adorno, to swear that Hank did nothing wrong in what the Third District Court of Appeal, in the Miami fire fee scandal, called Adorno’s firm’s “orchestration of a scheme to defraud the taxpayers of Miami.” Adorno had to give back his fee because he did nothing wrong, obviously. His clients had to give their ill-gotten millions back to Miami. Business as usual in Batista’s Cuba and in Raoul Cantero’s “professionalism” dream world.
It is clear, then, that the spawn of Batista consider fraud by lawyers preferable to their rough speech that rankles corrupt judges.
What is real professionalism, Mr. Llorente? Being a professional means, as an advocate, telling the truth and letting the chips fall where they may. Being a professional means tolerating those with whom you disagree and not giving in to the sissy impulse to intimidate them with a faceless committee made up of scolds who obviously need to get a life.
You, Mr. Llorente, are skating on thin ice, in violation of 18 USC 241. You proceed at risk to the First Amendment, to your organization, and to yourself.
Regards, Jack Thompson
"Freedom of conscience, of education, of speech, of assembly are among the very fundamentals of Democracy and all of them would be nullified should freedom of the press ever be successfully challenged".
Franklin D. Roosevelt, in a letter to W.N. Hardy, Sept. 4, 1040.
I support Jack Thompson's position on the first amendment and his quest to put an end to the aristocratic thought police. It is hard to imagine that there are actually practicing attorneys and judges in Broward County, or anywhere for that matter, that would disagree with his main premise.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer
The Florida Bar is a Racketeering Org.
It is lead by 52 Board of Governors members, many of whom hail from outside Florida. Therefore they are a National Group involved in all types of illegal activities -- such as fraud , corruption, money laundering, deprivation of civil rights, misprision of felony, and much more......The day of reckoning is coming soon !! The real criminals are headed to prison. Attention FBI.
You know you are headed in the right direction when an idiot disbarred former attorney starts railing against you. Crawl back in your hole Jack...
they have a "fetish about [you]?" that makes no kind of sense, you know that right?
no one is shutting down jaab. get over it.
ITS LIKE GOING NOWHERE
Word has it Judge Peggy Gehl is not happy about her forced resignation
Dear So Sad Anonymous Person Posting at 12:26:
Let me get this straight, okay? According to you, I have a mental illness. I'm also delusional. And because of this obvious mental illness, divined by you from a distance, I deserved to have my "ticket pulled by The Bar." Well, see if you can follow this reasoning. Should be tough, as you're maybe a lawyer, but give it a go:
If I'm delusional/mentally ill, then what I should have had happen to me was a suspension from the practice of law under Rule 3-7.13, which is basically a vocational Baker Act for lawyers. That is the Rule and the stunt pulled by The Bar back in 1992, and it failed, as The Bar's own psych experts certified me sane. I was paid damages for the stunt, by the way. You can read all about it in my book.
So, let's flash forward to the last episode: If I was doing what I was doing for the reasons you assert--mental illness even to the point of being delusional--then The Bar had a duty, not just the power, to go the Rule 3-7.13 route. The Bar was asked to do that. The Bar decided not to. Further, if you are right and The Bar was wrong, Mr. So Sad Anonymous Person, then the mental illness(es) you have so eruditely identified make me not culpable for what I was doing. I was not in my right mind. I was insane. I was delusional. I needed help. I needed help that could have been provided me by Florida Lawyers Assistance. You understand how mental illness to the point of being delusional cuts off culpability for one's actions, right? Or do we have to get someone other than me to explain it to you?
So, you're just flat wrong about all this. The Bar decided I had no mental illness, after violating the ADA in saying I did, backed off because of the silliness of it, when push came to shove, and then relied on perjured testimony to convict me of things that even The Bar knew I did not do. I'll be getting my Bar membership back long after you are still so angry that you can only libel someone like me.
Finally, go ahead and keep posting those libels. I'll be getting your identity shortly. Think not? Read the NY skank case I cited. But thanks for writing!
Jack Thompson, J.D.
5721 Riviera Drive
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366, cell 305-588-3005
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it." -- Mahatma Gandhi
btw...to continue my education on how to use a proxy.
After you find an annoymous proxy:
For MS Explorer to the Following: Go to very top of browser click tools, then options. Go to the Connection tab. Click lan settings. There you will see an option for proxy server. The rest is self explanatory. What ever proxy address and port you find input it in the field.
Firefox:
Click options. Go to the Advance then network tab. Enter proxy information there. Make sure you click use proxy for all protocols.
If this is to much work for posting on the blog, Google TOR (its free) download it read manual and you are good to go.
Finally and I am out of here. Use a proxy from other counties. ie.. japan, Korea or Venezuelan pretty much any country that needs substantial prodding for them to give your real ip address.
For name calling I guarantee you they tell the Bar and anyone to shove it. More important things to combat. Probably hang up on the bar with a farting noise to boot.
Finito
The Florida Bar and it's (Criminal) Board of Governors is a Racketeering, national organization. They are NOW sitting in the Zone called "The Silence of the Lambs". ...... the silence before the FBI slaughter !!
Alrighty, Jackie boy, you say (maybe true) that in 1992 the Bar's own mental exam of you proved you sane, Correct?
Here is my deal to you, submit to a full battery of test in 2010, by a doctor of my choice. and if he/she says you are not crazy, as some have accused, I will pay for the cost of the test.
But if the test come back telling us what we already know you sir will agree to just go away.
Donations for this test will be accepted by Rumpole and his team of misfits.
I, Dr. Anonymous, hereby pronounce Thompson kookoo for cocoa puffs.
Salvador Dali said the only difference between himself and a madman is that he knew he was insane. I used to think Jack was just delusionally ranting, too, but as crazy as this place has become, he's starting to make sense to me. Does that mean I've finally lost it?